By the way, looks like someone is trying to hide the interview which does not appear in the latest feed. “I had to go to Jacob’s channel to accesse the article and video”, also, the page was automatically zooming in, not allowing me to read part of the text, and also not allowing to post comments.
To do it I had to go to the Veriditas page and reload the interview from there.
This was the first time it has ever happened too me.
About the rockafeller, they are simply the name landers, the rothshill are their puppeteers.
One more point, the world is already awake, we are not a minority, we are the world.
What is still missing is the stand of the strong people in the defense of the weak ones, but also that is changing fast.
amazing to get a bonus essay as well as a podcast. The essay is brilliant and covers complex terrain. Sadly, it should not be complex, it is obvious and clear to me that corporate environmentalism is a big threat, all modeling of systems are problematic, the Earth atmosphere is mind boggingly intricate and mysterious . So sad that this is to risk being seen as a climate denier, and other labels associated with rabbit holes. I really love the point about all sides being valid and important in the way that progressive and critical thinking should happen. As usual, I love how you weave deep inside with anecdotes and case studies and other people ideas.
Thanks, Sarah. Appreciate your comment. I don’t think all sides are valid, only that the public sphere should be neutral among ends and not police speech. If given a fair fight, the truth has the best chance of winning. Or to quote St Augustine, “The truth is like a lion; you don’t have to defend it. Let it loose; it will defend itself.”
So grateful. Thanks Jakob. I think some of us are experiencing massive spiritual phenomenon. Massive connection to the divine. I don't know why now but we'll find out at some point. The important thing is that we are not blind to it in spite of how hard they've tried to disconnect us. Of all the academics and experts on our side, your work resonates the deepest.
I definitely agree with the alternative to 'both-sideism', since my title is Third Paradigm. And I love that Derrick Jensen and Lierre Keith, both of whom are unusually honest environmentalists, are cited as opposing the mainstream narrative.
When I first published my book, How to Dismantle an Empire, it had the subtitle 'and fund the Green New Deal.' I mean local sovereignty like regenerative agriculture but then realized, when someone pointed it out, that climate change had been weaponized for One World Gov't. And now the 'symptoms' are being inflicted through geo-engineering to make us think it's true. So I'm glad to see the nuances of that revealed.
Yet I would differ on whether Israel/ Palestine is part of the 'culture wars.' People aren't killed in culture wars. Real bombs not 'truth bombs' are being dropped on real people--and they're all on one side. It's neither culture nor a war because one side is the aggressor and occupier of the only home the other side has. There are no two sides.
That's so beautiful, inishmannin, and thank you for subbing me!
I even have that translation of the Tao, along with several others, since UklG is my favorite author and the only one with her own bookshelf in my little library. I will definitely be using it in the future, and thanks for the page #!
A book I was in the process of writing is called Revolutionary Mystics and How to Become One, play on words intentional. It goes verse by verse through the gnostic gospel of Philip and combines it with a verse from the Tao, one from A Course in Miracles, and a mystical poem from the East or West. And then I wrote an essay on the intersection. Here are the ones I've read so far into my stack. And thanks again for this, I'm clearly underutilizing the UklG translation, but I think she'd approve. (BTW, I tried to name one of my three daughters Ursula but the damn sea witch usurped it! I've promised extra inheritance for any of them who uses it for a granddaughter ;-)
Agreed @Tereza. Have a look at footnote 1 where I make this point re: the bombing of Palestinians in Gaza. Sounds like we are on the same page. I look forward to reading your work. Hoping to have Derrick and Lierre on the pod!
Thank you, Petra, glad to read that footnote! Derrick was very kind and encouraging back when I was writing my book. His Culture of Make-Believe was a turning point in my life--I could swear it leapt off the bookstore shelf while I was wandering in a fugue state post 9-11. I write about it in the prelude to my book, recorded here: https://thirdparadigm.substack.com/p/how-i-became-who-i-am. And this links all of the chapters recorded so far: https://thirdparadigm.substack.com/p/section-three-world-on-fire.
The podcast is excellent. Thanks Petra. I didn’t know Jacob. He is treading on a terrain full of crevasses . I’m going to read what he says and I’ll get back to you.
The essay completes the picture front your side very well . Im happy to see the names of Derrick and Lierre . I only read the part of JMG’s essay you cited: I have stopped reading ecosophia for a while. But I’ll give it a go. As for Paul Kingsnorth his last phrase says it all. As I told you before I am so sorry he followed the path of a spiritual cul de sac though . I have mixed feelings about Catherine Austin Fitts. Her mind and intellect are brilliant. She gives a lot of information but there is something I can’t define that keeps me away from her .
As a common friend once told us everything is a cult and in these troubled times choose yours carefully .
I also like the comments . A lot there as well . Thanks to all commenters
Thank you, inishmannin, for posting your comment where it would reach both Petra and myself, whether intentional or not! This interview is top of my listening list as soon as I get out my own episode for WW2ruth Liberation Day today.
Before I had a Substack, I did a YT video responding to Paul Kingsnorth with this description: "On Unherd, Freddie Sayers interviewed philosopher and writer Paul Kingsnorth on "Why I Changed My Mind in the Vaccine Wars." I use his thesis, antithesis, synthesis model but show why it's backwards and it's the orthodox view that rejects science. I quote Robert F. Kennedy's chapter, HIV Heretics, on how science is not a consensus and tell about my realization, after 50 years of futile arguments, that my mother didn't believe in the existence of facts. I cite Dr. Amishi Jha's definition of science as "a pursuit through a process of understanding what is," and how that relates to peer-reviewed studies. I look at the deeper questions of "are we being manipulated?" and "how can this end well?" I conclude that Paul's example of a person changing their mind is one of the most powerful forces on earth, and hope that #IWasWrong goes viral" https://youtu.be/mnAXypCx32o
So I agree with Paul and think he's brilliant, but doesn't go far enough. Our love is being used against us--for nature, for people different than us, for fairness, for animals. The false dichotomy is key to their strategy.
And I'm glad to hear your mixed feelings about CAF, which I share. Her focus and mine are so aligned, that I went to a small luncheon for her investment firm a decade ago. Their strategy seemed to mostly be gold, the mining of which destroys communities environmentally, physically and socially. Like some others, they mostly seem focused on how people with assets can protect them. My economic plan from my book, which creates small scale sovereignty for all communities, she had no interest in.
And my daughter says that if you think you couldn't fall for a cult, you just haven't met the right one ;-)
Thank you for posting this about CAF. I love much of her perspective, particularly in these fraught times. However, as a lower income person, I noticed while she always talks about a society with wealth enough to support all, she does seem to favor those with significant assets. And she'll challenge those with those assets to invest in younger people in their family - admirable, I like that - but what does one do if one, like me, has family with significant assets who do not trouble themselves with my problems, and don't feel that loyalty? And she said years ago, she came up with solutions to prosper small local communities - but that seems to have fallen by the wayside. Like most, she's very impressed with talented people who get public attention, but aren't they already succeeding without her backing? Just several questions... I appreciated your posting a Peter Duke-Jasun Horsley podcast a while ago, by the way.
Love your name, blackcatnamedOlivia, since I've had a black cat and have an Olivia in my life ;-) Yes, it was CAF's focus on local community solutions that drew me to her. I didn't mind that she didn't have a solution, what I minded was her lack of interest in mine. There should be objective, measurable criteria for a supplemental system: increasing home ownership, small local businesses, small local landlords. It should provide as widespread of changes as possible with the least disruption to what's working. I don't think that telling other people what they should do counts as system change. People need better decisions to make, not to make better decisions.
Thanks for listening to my episode on Peter and Jasun! That was a fun one.
He is encouraging. He recently blurbed an anthology I have coming out (Lierre has a chapter in this book). I think of him as a big bear in the woods. He’s always talking about bears too! :)
This very good.
By the way, looks like someone is trying to hide the interview which does not appear in the latest feed. “I had to go to Jacob’s channel to accesse the article and video”, also, the page was automatically zooming in, not allowing me to read part of the text, and also not allowing to post comments.
To do it I had to go to the Veriditas page and reload the interview from there.
This was the first time it has ever happened too me.
About the rockafeller, they are simply the name landers, the rothshill are their puppeteers.
One more point, the world is already awake, we are not a minority, we are the world.
What is still missing is the stand of the strong people in the defense of the weak ones, but also that is changing fast.
Thank you for sharing your work.
amazing to get a bonus essay as well as a podcast. The essay is brilliant and covers complex terrain. Sadly, it should not be complex, it is obvious and clear to me that corporate environmentalism is a big threat, all modeling of systems are problematic, the Earth atmosphere is mind boggingly intricate and mysterious . So sad that this is to risk being seen as a climate denier, and other labels associated with rabbit holes. I really love the point about all sides being valid and important in the way that progressive and critical thinking should happen. As usual, I love how you weave deep inside with anecdotes and case studies and other people ideas.
Thanks, Sarah. Appreciate your comment. I don’t think all sides are valid, only that the public sphere should be neutral among ends and not police speech. If given a fair fight, the truth has the best chance of winning. Or to quote St Augustine, “The truth is like a lion; you don’t have to defend it. Let it loose; it will defend itself.”
So grateful. Thanks Jakob. I think some of us are experiencing massive spiritual phenomenon. Massive connection to the divine. I don't know why now but we'll find out at some point. The important thing is that we are not blind to it in spite of how hard they've tried to disconnect us. Of all the academics and experts on our side, your work resonates the deepest.
I definitely agree with the alternative to 'both-sideism', since my title is Third Paradigm. And I love that Derrick Jensen and Lierre Keith, both of whom are unusually honest environmentalists, are cited as opposing the mainstream narrative.
When I first published my book, How to Dismantle an Empire, it had the subtitle 'and fund the Green New Deal.' I mean local sovereignty like regenerative agriculture but then realized, when someone pointed it out, that climate change had been weaponized for One World Gov't. And now the 'symptoms' are being inflicted through geo-engineering to make us think it's true. So I'm glad to see the nuances of that revealed.
Yet I would differ on whether Israel/ Palestine is part of the 'culture wars.' People aren't killed in culture wars. Real bombs not 'truth bombs' are being dropped on real people--and they're all on one side. It's neither culture nor a war because one side is the aggressor and occupier of the only home the other side has. There are no two sides.
Yes. Everything slow, small, simple and mutual aid. The only way. The Way
I think of this poem from the Tao te Ching :
Chapter 80
Freedom
Let there be a little country without many people.
Let them have tools that do the work of ten or a hundred,
and never use them.
Let them be mindful of death
and disinclined to long journeys.
They'd have ships and carriages,
but no place to go.
They'd have armor and weapons,
but no parades.
Instead of writing,
they might go back to using knotted cords.
They'd enjoy eating,
take pleasure in clothes,
be happy with their houses,
devoted to their customs.
The next little country might be so close
the people could hear the cocks crowing
and dogs barking there,
but they'd get old and die
without ever having been there.
— translated by Ursula K. Le Guin (p. 100
Beautiful @inishmannin
That's so beautiful, inishmannin, and thank you for subbing me!
I even have that translation of the Tao, along with several others, since UklG is my favorite author and the only one with her own bookshelf in my little library. I will definitely be using it in the future, and thanks for the page #!
A book I was in the process of writing is called Revolutionary Mystics and How to Become One, play on words intentional. It goes verse by verse through the gnostic gospel of Philip and combines it with a verse from the Tao, one from A Course in Miracles, and a mystical poem from the East or West. And then I wrote an essay on the intersection. Here are the ones I've read so far into my stack. And thanks again for this, I'm clearly underutilizing the UklG translation, but I think she'd approve. (BTW, I tried to name one of my three daughters Ursula but the damn sea witch usurped it! I've promised extra inheritance for any of them who uses it for a granddaughter ;-)
https://thirdparadigm.substack.com/p/revolutionary-mystics-and-how-to
https://thirdparadigm.substack.com/p/the-genesis-of-the-dysfunctional
https://thirdparadigm.substack.com/p/bhagavad-gita-and-palestine (this also links the video on Is Our Love Being Pimped for Profit? that I mentioned earlier.
Agreed @Tereza. Have a look at footnote 1 where I make this point re: the bombing of Palestinians in Gaza. Sounds like we are on the same page. I look forward to reading your work. Hoping to have Derrick and Lierre on the pod!
Thank you, Petra, glad to read that footnote! Derrick was very kind and encouraging back when I was writing my book. His Culture of Make-Believe was a turning point in my life--I could swear it leapt off the bookstore shelf while I was wandering in a fugue state post 9-11. I write about it in the prelude to my book, recorded here: https://thirdparadigm.substack.com/p/how-i-became-who-i-am. And this links all of the chapters recorded so far: https://thirdparadigm.substack.com/p/section-three-world-on-fire.
Lierre is my prime example that no one is more compelling than a person who changes his/ her mind. Her deeply personal and impeccably researched The Vegetarian Myth is one I often cite, as in this episode: https://thirdparadigm.substack.com/p/animal-husbandry-is-the-new-vegetarian.
From your profile, YES, we are certainly on the same page--not only on Palestine but as a mother's perspective, which is how I describe my work. Along with preparing for WW2ruth Liberation Day, as I'm calling May 8th, I've been researching the politics of the 9500 yrs when God was a woman: https://thirdparadigm.substack.com/p/when-god-was-a-woman and https://thirdparadigm.substack.com/p/year-of-the-goddess.
Thanks again, Petra!
The podcast is excellent. Thanks Petra. I didn’t know Jacob. He is treading on a terrain full of crevasses . I’m going to read what he says and I’ll get back to you.
The essay completes the picture front your side very well . Im happy to see the names of Derrick and Lierre . I only read the part of JMG’s essay you cited: I have stopped reading ecosophia for a while. But I’ll give it a go. As for Paul Kingsnorth his last phrase says it all. As I told you before I am so sorry he followed the path of a spiritual cul de sac though . I have mixed feelings about Catherine Austin Fitts. Her mind and intellect are brilliant. She gives a lot of information but there is something I can’t define that keeps me away from her .
As a common friend once told us everything is a cult and in these troubled times choose yours carefully .
I also like the comments . A lot there as well . Thanks to all commenters
Thank you again comrade
Thank you, inishmannin, for posting your comment where it would reach both Petra and myself, whether intentional or not! This interview is top of my listening list as soon as I get out my own episode for WW2ruth Liberation Day today.
Before I had a Substack, I did a YT video responding to Paul Kingsnorth with this description: "On Unherd, Freddie Sayers interviewed philosopher and writer Paul Kingsnorth on "Why I Changed My Mind in the Vaccine Wars." I use his thesis, antithesis, synthesis model but show why it's backwards and it's the orthodox view that rejects science. I quote Robert F. Kennedy's chapter, HIV Heretics, on how science is not a consensus and tell about my realization, after 50 years of futile arguments, that my mother didn't believe in the existence of facts. I cite Dr. Amishi Jha's definition of science as "a pursuit through a process of understanding what is," and how that relates to peer-reviewed studies. I look at the deeper questions of "are we being manipulated?" and "how can this end well?" I conclude that Paul's example of a person changing their mind is one of the most powerful forces on earth, and hope that #IWasWrong goes viral" https://youtu.be/mnAXypCx32o
So I agree with Paul and think he's brilliant, but doesn't go far enough. Our love is being used against us--for nature, for people different than us, for fairness, for animals. The false dichotomy is key to their strategy.
And I'm glad to hear your mixed feelings about CAF, which I share. Her focus and mine are so aligned, that I went to a small luncheon for her investment firm a decade ago. Their strategy seemed to mostly be gold, the mining of which destroys communities environmentally, physically and socially. Like some others, they mostly seem focused on how people with assets can protect them. My economic plan from my book, which creates small scale sovereignty for all communities, she had no interest in.
And my daughter says that if you think you couldn't fall for a cult, you just haven't met the right one ;-)
Thank you for posting this about CAF. I love much of her perspective, particularly in these fraught times. However, as a lower income person, I noticed while she always talks about a society with wealth enough to support all, she does seem to favor those with significant assets. And she'll challenge those with those assets to invest in younger people in their family - admirable, I like that - but what does one do if one, like me, has family with significant assets who do not trouble themselves with my problems, and don't feel that loyalty? And she said years ago, she came up with solutions to prosper small local communities - but that seems to have fallen by the wayside. Like most, she's very impressed with talented people who get public attention, but aren't they already succeeding without her backing? Just several questions... I appreciated your posting a Peter Duke-Jasun Horsley podcast a while ago, by the way.
Love your name, blackcatnamedOlivia, since I've had a black cat and have an Olivia in my life ;-) Yes, it was CAF's focus on local community solutions that drew me to her. I didn't mind that she didn't have a solution, what I minded was her lack of interest in mine. There should be objective, measurable criteria for a supplemental system: increasing home ownership, small local businesses, small local landlords. It should provide as widespread of changes as possible with the least disruption to what's working. I don't think that telling other people what they should do counts as system change. People need better decisions to make, not to make better decisions.
Thanks for listening to my episode on Peter and Jasun! That was a fun one.
Sorry, I just saw all the links you posted. Weirdly on my phone the full comment wasn't clear. Excellent work!
That's very kind of you, Petra. Another that might amuse you is Myth of the Terrible Mother: https://thirdparadigm.substack.com/p/michael-tsarion-myth-of-the-terrible. It's pretty funny.
He is encouraging. He recently blurbed an anthology I have coming out (Lierre has a chapter in this book). I think of him as a big bear in the woods. He’s always talking about bears too! :)